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Dayton Vetoes Gun Bill - Thank You

Category: Guns
Posted: 03/06/12 04:32, Edited: 03/06/12 04:33

by Dave Mindeman

Governor Dayton vetoed the "Castle Doctrine" Gun bill today at the urging of Minnesota Law Enforcement organizations. I am sure that the NRA will be "targeting" Dayton because of this.... when, and if, he decides to run for re-election.

Gun advocates seem to have adopted the idea that the answer to gun violence is simply more guns everywhere. The shooting up north, in a Grand Marais courtroom, that nearly killed an attorney led to calls for prosecutors to be allowed to carry weapons themselves.

This Castle Doctrine type legislation wants the general public to have a freer hand at defending their property with gun violence. The answer to all our problems, it would seem, is to have vigilante justice.

I can't help but think about how many foolish incidents, how many pranks, could turn into a deadly confrontation.

Kids T-P-ing the front yard tree. Halloween pranks perceived as a home invasion. A stranger looking for help after a car breakdown has to consider a nervous gun owner behind the door.

Homeowners still can have their guns without the Castle Doctrine. The only difference without it is that they are still held accountable for good judgment. Your first choice is not to shoot. It has to be; or it will be impossible for law enforcement to sort out these dangerous situations.

After all, if a policeman or policewoman arrives on a scene and sees guns drawn on all sides, how can they know who is at fault? And if a homeowner is pointing a weapon at someone, how can an officer make any instant assessment other than that the person with the gun is the danger?

Our police officers have enough things to account for without adding random gun threats from people who feel that brandishing weapons fulfills their need to protect property. The officers would be dealing with people who place themselves in these situations without actual training about making good judgments under duress.

Withdrawing to a safer place or calling 911 are not acts of cowardice. They are acts of a responsible citizen.

I can't think of anything I own that is valuable enough for anyone, including myself, to die for.

Gun ownership is a protected right but it doesn't have to be expanded indefinitely. The NRA needs to back off. I prefer to stand with the police.

comments (3) permalink
03/07/12 14:26

What did not get enough attention was that this legislation provided that MN would accept Conceal-and-Carry permits from other states ... so, Minnesota will now allow someone to go to another state and get their license and use it here.

The MN-GOP got a victory here ... because by the Dayton veto, they will continue to use this issue to drive campaign contributions.
 
03/06/12 17:33
Questionable Shootings:

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-atlanta/halloween-prank-turns-deadly-for-teen-northwest-atlanta

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2209&dat=19921117&id=tLRKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lZQMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6889,3999991

http://www.cbs58.com/news/local-news/Slinger-intruder-shooting-questions-Castle-Doctrain-Law-141373463.html

As to the "state" making decisions for you...I would say that police protection determines the decisions that need to be made. If we allow lay people to decide when deadly force is necessary, they will get it wrong. Shoot first and ask questions later is not good policy.

If burglars are using rational thinking, then wouldn't conceal and carry have ended burglary? After all, they must now consider that anyone can carry a gun, right? That hasn't changed either.

More guns is a messy answer to anything.
 
TheBender
03/06/12 13:07
-'I can't help but think about how many foolish incidents, how many pranks, could turn into a deadly confrontation.'

You think, but you don't know because if this weren't just hyperbole you'd provide links to facts right?
31 states have Castle Doctrine laws.
-Please show us where kids playing halloween pranks resulted in shooting.
-Please show where police were 'gunned down' on a doorstep because they were checking a home out.
-Please show where somebody was gunned down in a campsite or parking lot 'because they looked funny' or 'threatening'.



-'The only difference without it is that they are still held accountable for good judgment. Your first choice is not to shoot. It has to be; or it will be impossible for law enforcement to sort out these dangerous situations.'

Essentially what you are saying here is that the State (through it's current laws) is making the decision for you- instead of the other way around. The State can't because there are a million situations it can't know. Which is why I as a homeowner need to make that decision to protect my family. I can't second guess in a life or death decision to protect myself or my family. If it's them or me- it's them all the time.


-'Withdrawing to a safer place or calling 911 are not acts of cowardice. They are acts of a responsible citizen.'

While I will agree that it's responsible, what will criminals think? Homes are more open to burglary now because the owners hands are tied by law? And they will be more emboldened to commit such crimes? Speculation yes. Only time will tell. But the same could be said for proponents against MN CCW. Did shootings INCREASE when it was passed?

 
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